#This was a mistake muzzle flash png movie

Muzzle flashes only last a fraction of a second and In normal daylight conditions they are barely, if at all, noticeable. It isn't as though a weapon firing is the equivalent of a flare going off. I'm also not sure taking a position that a gun firing at 1000m should have an equal chance of being spotted to a gun firing at 300m is a very. If you agree that the spotting goes up when a unit fires and you don't think that muzzle flash is the reason why, then it would be helpful if you could tell us what reason would you attribute the increased spotting chance to? It can't be dust because the increase is noticeable in limited visibility conditions. But if a muzzle flash was spotted, then at least a unit marker at the potential location should appear almost instantly for the unit which saw the flash. If muzzle flashes would be modelled, that would dramatically change, as soon a gun is fired: it would become potentially visible from much further distances and potentially could even be spotted beyond normal LOS because of the light intensity if the flash.Īnd before the next strawman is raised I want to make clear: no, I don't mean units should be spotted immediately. Therefore nothing works better than getting eyes as close as possible. If the muzzle flash was modelled, how is it possible, that guns firing at 1000 m distance are much worse to spot than guns firing at 300 m, if the muzzle flash is clearly visible from both distances? IME spotting is working proportionally to distance. How do you come to that conclusion? It just means that the spotting chance goes up, if a unit shoots. The fact that in game spotting chances go up, if a unit opens fire IMO is NO indication that the muzzle flash effect is modelled at all. I even offered a video example with some extreme examples to everyone who wants to see can see the huge impact a muzzle flash SHOULD have on spotting. In the starting post I think I clearly described the problem I see and I presented certain concrete examples. If that mechanism works correctly in all other circumstances is a different matter. Wait a bit and the tank will vanish again. The fire a shot and this tank will be nearly immediately spotted by the other tanks. Without firing you can sit in close proximity and you won't spot anyone. But if the muzzle flash would be modelled, hidden and camouflaged guns could receive a much higher concealment bonus, therefore becoming extremely hard to spot even when passing by a few meters, but without the negative effect to become too hard to spot once they open fire. IMO hidden and camouflaged AT-guns can be spotted too easily: getting enemy units close enough is the main factor. The worse the visibility, the worse the capability to spot the unit itself, the more important the muzzle flash becomes and stands out (woods, cover, night, haze, distance).Īre there discussions or plans to improve spotting in this regard? Honestly I do not like the gamey necessessity to have infantry 'sensors' as far as possible ahead of tanks - instead tanks being able to spot muzzle flashes even from far distances very well on their own very much anymore. Because the spotting distance to the gun does matter much more and the muzzle-flash effect does have no effect, while in reality can be seen from very far away. This leads to the IMO quite gamey but hugely successful procedure, to scout ahead with infantry for tanks.

The best way to spot a gun is to have eyes as close as possible on it. Maybe the unit can't even be seen, but the flash!Ĭurrently the muzzle flash seems to be ignored. The further the distance and worse the vision, the more important the muzzle flash seems to stand out to spot a threat nevertheless.

#This was a mistake muzzle flash png movie

Two scenes from the video that portray exceptionally well the importance of muzzle flashes: 5:00 and 7:50: Wittmann's Demise movie

Since I saw the movie about the 'Wittmann's Demise'-scenario the shown battle scenes have been staying on my mind because they gave me for the first time ever an incredible insight how important the muzzle flash must have been to spot a gun. Sadly this situation is probably the most important one: when guns open fire. I think the spotting system works surprisingly well, except in one situation.